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DeviantART- De-emphasizing Art?

Journal Entry: Fri Mar 23, 2012, 8:23 AM
So I don't know about you guys, but there've been some issues I've been seeing with Deviantart's changes more and more lately and it's beginning to upset me...

:bulletred:Comment count under thumbnails
I've never been comment-conscious before. I don't care if people "fave bomb" my work, or if they fave it without commenting (with exceptions on tutorials for feedback sake when necessary), but now that they have the comment count plastered under every thumbnail, I'm forced to focus on comments whether I want to or not. Now I see a piece that only has a comment or two and it makes me self conscious, when before I would just post my art and move on. I also feel like it might have an effect on others. For me, when I see that a piece has over 200 comments, I definitely feel less of an urge to comment on it before faving. I figure "everything that I would want to say about this piece has probably already been said, so I'll just fave it instead." Anyone else feel like that? Now that we have comment count plastered everywhere, I feel like pieces wont get more comments simply because they have comments on them. Such overthinking for a site that should be JUST ABOUT THE ART.

:bulletred:Adding user info besides their names on comments
Now whenever you make a comment on someone's piece, everyone will see your information: 3 days ago  23, Female, United States Professional Digital Artist
Now I feel like people will judge my comments based on WHAT I am and where I'm from, and not based on the comment/critique's content! Gender identity plays a big role in this.
I don't care having on my DA ID saying that I'm female. It's basically there for anyone who wants to know, but isn't plastered around DA like it's my self-identity. I hate being defined by gender, age, and even nationality. But I don't mind putting the info out there for people to know. I'm not ashamed of it, I just don't want to advertise it. Now that DA has this feature, I feel like I can't avoid it. I also don't like judging others based on the same thing, but who can help it now!

If you're a digital artist, a 40 year old professional in your industry, and you see a comment that says:
"This is a really great piece, but I feel like the composition could use some repositioning."
You might think "Okay. Cool." But if you see:
"This is a really great piece, but I feel like the composition could use some repositioning." 15, FEMALE, UNITED STATES ANIME ARTIST.

Is it just me, or does that change the context of their comment entirely? I know, it shouldn't. But it's a subconscious thing whether you want to admit it or not. It will have affect on some people whether we want it to or not. The answer to this solution should not be "Oh then just hide that on your profile and it'll hide it on comments." There is a difference between letting people know, and advertising something everywhere.

For instance, I'm a very open person. I don't mind if people ask me about my fetish art. But I also don't put it in my signature on da "By the way, I draw inflation, and foot tickling and vore and crap!" That's not something I want to openly advertise to everyone, though I don't mind if people know it, cuz they'll find out if they look in my commissions. I'm not hiding it from people, but not promoting it. Same goes for my gender, my age, and my location.

So, yeah. It'd be nice if Deviantart stopped trying to advertise unnecessary information: comment counts, gender, age, location, and God-forbid one day fave-counts, and instead focus on art for art's sake. Less is more, Deviantart! Honestly, any artist should know that.

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Xarti Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2012  Student General Artist
The minute I saw my user info beside my art pieces, I was wondering about that. :/
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AokiBengal Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012
I have to say I agree with this. DA's really starting to gravitate to being a art themed FaceBook me thinks. Next they'll have art apps or something whacky. Hopefully not but who knows with the direction they're going. I think within the past what, 8 years I've been on DA, I've already seem various aspects of it start to gravitate away from being an art site, even in the submission content, in which sometimes a majority it's more of a Photobucket for people than an actual art gallery. Oh here's my emo face, here's my dick, here's my dog, here's my cat, oh did I forget to mention here's a picture of a video game achievement I made. its' like where's the freakin art any more? This place isn't a picture dump gallery. I guess for me that's my biggest peeve about DA is people submit whatever the heck they want and less actual art. DA where your 2 megapixel dick photo taken in your parent's bathroom while they're gone with shoddy lighting is art. This is DeviantART not DeviantDICK.
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Fyuvix Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I totally agree! I've been around dA for bout 7 or 8 years as well. I remember when it was simpler interface. Upload art. boom, there's your art. Not all these widgets and gadgets, and they do practically have an art app. It's DA Muro XDDD It was okay in concept if ONLY you could draw with other peole like the old Open Canvas 1.1.

I don't know that it's so much a problem with allowing people to upload whatever they want. I don't know how one would limit that. Then you'd get into the entire "What is art?" controversy. I agree with you, however, something that was not intended to be art, is not art. Someone wagging their dick around a camera for show's sake, is not art. I haven't had a problem seeing those things anymore, because I stopped browsing dA for the most part. I watch hundreds of people instead, so it basically filters out what I see. I set my home page to my own frontpage instead of DA's, because of the reasons you mentioned above.

Unfortunately that will always be an issue with an open art site like DA and its counterparts. Too much limitation, then it might become a snob-site of "Your art's not good enough to be considered art." which would make me very sad. XD
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AokiBengal Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012
oh and I forgot I'm tired of the llamas cake and whatever else they're giving us. NOT USEFUL!
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GSnail Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, there are too many extraneous bits. What happened to just posting art, commenting on art, faving art, enjoying the art? Badges and llamas aren't relevant, the numbers of faves and comments and views you have aren't relevant (isn't the point of favouriting less of a favor/compliment for the fave-ee and more of the fave-er compiling a public list of works they like?), and putting people's info next to their comment is just inviting trouble.
And the one update they have rolled out that is actually about art is only available to paid members. Lovely.
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dedicatedfollower467 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I agree. I'm not very well known here on DA, and every time I look at my gallery now, I think to myself:

"Wow. Everything I've done since September has less than five comments on it."

It's just the most self-defeating and discouraging thing to notice, and now I notice it ALL THE TIME, with no way to turn it off. Plus, now whenever I leave a comment, I feel like I'm displaying to the entire world that I'm a complete amateur. I don't like it.
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Lu-1 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2012
The other thing I don't like is being able to fav journals. Why? I don't see the point of having a fav thing for journals. Then people won't provide feedback in journals which I think defeats the purpose of the journal, to get feedback. :/
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Tsubane Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012
OH wow, I didn't even notice about the posting your info next to our comment thing... why is that even necessary? If they're curious they can look at my page. :I

Eurgh
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ChelseaDanger Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
All of these recent changes are not only stupid, but utterly useless and it frustrates me to no end that DA spends their time adding stupid shit like this when there is so much on this website that needs to be fixed. There are so many glitches with groups that really impede running a group smoothly that haven't been fixed for months, but yeah, thanks for adding useless info to my comments, great, thanks DA. It just goes to show how much DA cares about their precious stats, all show, no substance so to say.

If I want to see how many comments a deviation has, I'll click on it, like I was going to anyways if I wanted to look at the picture.

If I want to know more about the artist, I'll go to their main page to see how old they are, where they're from, etc. If anything, that takes away from people coming to your page to learn more about you and I did hide that info from my page because I don't want it waved around my comments.

The only thing DA has done right lately is fix thumbnails, finally. Other than that, I'm so sick of useless crap like this getting added to DA, so, so sick of it. :iconfacepalmplz:
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Rorador Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I agree, its just a bit irritating if you think about it. its not like anyone cares about how old you are when it comes to the art you like or what specialty and what level you are in your specialty unless the want to know the old way was much better so if you wanted to know a little more about the artist you actually go to their page instead of looking at their comment's "Business card"
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